Monday, February 27, 2006

Omaha hands *Update*

I had about 10 responses in the end mostly over MSN messenger. Most people got a few right. I have added updates below. I thought it would be easier to add them here than create a new blog entry.

My blog has become boring… so something a bit different today. Some new card graphics as well thanks to Tillerman.

PL Omaha hands. What you have to do is guess my hand.. or what is the minimum hand I should have given how I play in the pots. These all come from a 6 hour session yesterday.

Hand 1

$10/$20 – 6 handed. I am sitting with $5800. My opponent in the pot had $6000. Opponent in this hand is a tight/aggressive decent ish player.

My opponent makes it $70 to play. One caller. I make it $240 to play. Original raiser calls, other guy passes.

Flop JQ7

He checks and I bet the pot which is $570. He check raised me and made it another $1710 to play. I called.

Turn 6

He bet another $3280 which put me all in. I called.

River 7

What hand am I calling with? What hands should I reraise the flop with?

The reason I am calling is that I have a massive draw. My hand was the best draw possible AKT9. Its pretty nailed on that my opponent has a set, probably top set, given the way he has played it and my experience of that player. In fact he held QQ4A. I could reraise the flop with my hand as I was actually favourite over any hand. In fact, my hand had a 56% chance of beating top set. However, I think pushing on the flop is a mistake as the turn could pair the board and he will call my turn bet even if I hit, and I still have the correct number of outs and pot odds to call a turn bet even if it’s a blank.

Hand 2

$10/$20 – 6 handed. I am sitting with $7312. My opponent has $5200. Not much information on my opponent. Pretty aggressive from the limited amount I have played with him. He is to my immediate right.

A few limpers to me on the button and I just call the $20 to play. SB calls and BB checks.

Flop 8TQ

Everyone checks to my opponent who makes it $100 to play. I minimum raise it to $200. He reraises me to make it $700 to play. I call the extra $500

Turn 6

He now bets $1500 which I call. (its beginning to look like I am a calling station)

River A

He checks and I bet $4500. He called his last $2980.

What do I have here? What is the minimum he should be calling my river bet with?

I guess I could have a huge number of holdings here. I could have the nuts with improvements. I could have a set and the straight draw improvements, I could have the higher straight draw and flush draw. Given that I just called the turn bet its unlikely that I feel that I have a good freeroll situation, as I would normally push. So I am on a big draw. In fact my holding was QQ54 for top set and the Queen flush draw.

In my opinion its tough for him to call the river bet without some sort of flush. In fact he called and showed 9dJd74. I guess that is pretty tough to muck given the size of the pot. He actually instant called which had me worried for a minute.

Hand 3

$10/$20 – 6 handed. I have $4100. My opponent in this hand is a big loser in the game. Can’t let go of Aces and bluffs alot.

I am really going to look like a calling station after this one. I do raise sometimes.

He makes it $80 to play from the BB. Limper calls as do I.

Flop 67Q

He bets out $240. Other player passes. I call.

Turn 4

He bets $720. I call.



He bets $1940. I call.

What have I got here? What is the minimum I need to call him on the end?

Firstly, I don’t need that much to call this player down but this is probably one of the most marginal calls I have made. I just went with my read of the situation. The actualy hand that i held was 5567 for raggy middle two pair. I put him on a flush draw on the flop with maybe KK or AA. He could have a wide variety of hands, but rarely raises with low cards. When he bets the pot on the turn, given the fact I had the blockers I felt almost certain he was bluffing, but still didn’t want to reraise as he would call with nearly any draw, so I decided to see the river. When he bets at the end its an instant call given the card appears a total blank. He held 47JJ for lower two pair and picked up a nice pot.

Hand 4

$10/$20 – 5 handed. I have $11100. Early position opponent makes it $70 to play. One caller. I raise in the cut off to $280 to play. My main opponent in this pot is the same as the last hand. He has $5100. Three of us see the flop

Flop 468

They both check to me and I check behind them.

Turn 2

Again the both check to me and I bet the pot of $870. My opponent minimum reraises me to $1740 to play. I call.

River Q

He bets $3080 all in and I call.

What hand do I have? What do I need to call the river bet?

Only Dubai got this one right. I actually had the nuts all along. My holding was 5678. I basically checked behind on the flop to give myself the chance of winning a huge pot. If I had gone out and bet the pot I would never have got the kind of action that I did. My opponent held 35KK so made the lower straight on the turn. To call the river bet knowing my opponent I would probably need 35xx or 57xx, given that he could be playing any four cards.


bazza12 said...

A distraction from work for me :-)

Hand 1

To call you must have either a set of Queens or a big drawing hand like a high flush and lots of cards to make the straight.

Hand 2

You could have the same as him on the flop but i doubt it as you would probably reraise if you had good redraws. So probably the draw for the bigger straight and the king flush draw. He should only call your river bet with the second or third best flush. Maybe thats me being tight though.

Hand 3

Harder this one. I don't think you have the straight so i would say 2 pair or a set. But you haven't raised at any point so its hard to call. Given the player to call on the end a set or Q7 maybe as he could have aces and be flushing.

Hand 4

You have reraised preflop so i can't see you having 57 in your hand and you checked the flop last to speak. I reckon you have a set of eights. Just a guess though.

Which hands did you win?

Jon Shoreman said...

Hand 1

Two Pair, Jacks and Sixes

Hand 2

79, idiot end of the straight

Hand 3

Trip sucked out on the river again

Hand 4

KsQs, busted flush draw, but worth a call with top pair

Standaman said...

Er... let me guess you have sucked out once upon time on Jon Shoreham.
Let it go Jon you are getting bitter as well as twisted

Big Dave D said...

Im not sure whether Jon is being facetious or not...but I think he's actually quite close...fwiw:

1. Minimum is AA with a draw. Or an easy two pair call.
2. J9 or j9 with a bad flush
3. A medium wrap thats turned into two pair.
4. Tuff one...looks like u have the flush draw. I dont like calling on the river without at least two pair..but maybe uve hit mystery trips or the idiot str8 :(


Milkybarkid said...

Cheers for the responses...

When you get outplayed by me as often as John has it does make you a bitter ;-)

Jon Shoreman said...

Standman....Errr....I was having a joke!
Yes, Ben has sucked out on me, yes I have sucked out on him. Yes, he has out played me, and on occasions I think I have outplayed him.

I know Ben pretty well.

Deal'em said...

I didn't get a chance to post my responses...doubted I had them right anyway but was surprised to be close or on for all. Your site is great, keep it coming. One question: the QQ45 hand where you were raised preflop 500. I tend to run to conservative side; what were your thoughts here as you might well be chasing a higher pair suited same way as you? Also, what kind of bankroll do you need for 2K pot limit Omaha high? Thanks.

Milkybarkid said...


I should have maybe left it a bit to give some other people a chance to guess.

If you look at the QQ45 hand again it was an unraised pot preflop. I would have to be playing extremely loosey goosey or on tilt to call $500 preflop with that rubbish. QQ45 wouldn't be in either of my top two brackets of starting hands in Omaha.

The bankroll question is always a tricky one. I always think it is worth taking a shot at higher games even if your bankroll isn't big enough. That's if you are a proven winner at lower stakes and can play your normal game if you move up a few levels. Many of the people now playing the biggest stakes on the net moved up well before their bankroll was high enough.

I do think 50 buy ins should be more than enough if you are good. If you are multi tabling probably 75-100 buy ins. PL Omaha is very swingy and its not uncommon to drop plenty of buy ins very quickly.

Your style of play is also important in answering that question. If you play tight you would need less bankroll than a very loose player as your swings should be less.

Deal'em said...

Whoops...the 500 was on the flop, sorry about that. Never work off day old memory, recipe for disaster. Thanks for the info on bankroll.

Gergery said...

Just found your blog. Great hand quiz, keep ‘em coming


Big D said...

I think you played it pretty well.

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