Monday, June 19, 2006

Less is more

I hate going out of big tournaments with KK v AA. If i count the two EPT grand finals, WPT Paris/Bellagio and the WSOP main event last year as the five biggest tournaments i've played, i've exited two of them with KK v AA. Another one i went out when holding the AA. It makes me think i actually do alot better when i don't get big pocket pairs as they often spell danger. When i am not hitting i have to duck and dive, and its easier to get away from hands when people play back at me.

Had a good week online. Didn't play more than about 8 hours... and i'll probably play about the same amount this week. The WSOP starts soon and i feel like i should be there for the start, but that would mean flying back after about a week for a few days, so i guess i should just wait until the 8th July. I'm counting down the days now.

I actually haven't played that many tournaments this year at all. Its stands at about nine for 2006. Its the Vic festival this week and i may get to play the PL Omaha Hi/Lo, but i'm too busy to play any of the others.

One interesting hand came up this week when i was playing $25/$50 NL Hold'em. What would you do?

6 handed. I am on the button with $6800. Both my opponents i have only played with a couple of times so no real information about them. UTG (with $6000 stack) opens for $350 (7 times the BB). I have AA and decide to just call. The BB then calls (with $5000 stack) as well. I was hoping to be heads up. Flop 8JQ rainbow. BB leads out with a bet of $800. Preflop raiser makes it $2000. Now what? Call, raise or fold?

10 comments:

I'm not Phil Ivey said...

I think i could only raise or fold here, if you call you'll have no clue where you stand and you'll prob be forced in on the turn anyway. I'd probably lay down wishing I'd raised pre-flop. Its possible you might still be ahead at this point but i think it would be by a tiny fraction at best. i often think that if i had AJ, the flop came J-T-8 and the same betting pattern followed I'd have no trouble laying down. and after all with three players and that flop AA is just top pair. havng said all that you'll prob tell me that you wnet all in and got called by AQ.....

Tall Mat said...

BB getting pretty good odds has called speculatively with 9T or maybe 88.

UTG has jacks.

You get all the money in and get turn K river T to scoop a $17,000 pot...

Robert Price said...

hmmm those tables can be very loose agressive so thats a scary one. I will put bb on Q10 and raiser on AQ or KK so go on commit !!!

razboynik said...

FOLD !
Due to the fact that you didn't re-raise your hand preflop, one of the other players could realistically have a better hand.
A lot depends on your read of the players.

thetank said...

I'm in the fold camp too.

That you haven't re-raised pre-flop allows you to get away from the hand a little easier in my position. The big blind has spoilt your chances of playing the hand heads up, thus devaluing your Aces.

Big blind could have any number of hands including JQ and the dreaded 9T. The UTG player hasn't put in a huge flop raise, it wouldn't surprise me if he showed JJ or QQ. (The 7xBB raise would certainly go along with one of these holdings too)

As the only other real play is to raise, and that would commit you to the pot, I think there are better oppurtunities to stack off.

All the best for Vegas.

richard trigg said...

i put bb on QK and utg on AQ or KK get all your chips in and scoop

Jon Shoreman said...
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Jon Shoreman said...

Fold aces! Are you mad?

SimonG. said...

I don't think folding aces is mad here.

I think not raising with aces and then donking off the rest of your stack when miles behind is mad, however.

The critical difference here is the presence of a third player, and all three cards right in the zone. Then the action on the flop means I am throwing aces away too.

If the hand had panned out like intended with one opponent, it may well have been different.

But if I want to play a pot heads up at a 6handed table, I think smooth calling is very risky and a raise is required. You have to be pretty sure that one of the few players to act is going to reraise behind you - just about an impossible assumption online unless they are uber-agressive/tilty - or at least be sure that if you do get it heads up, your opponent will get all his chips in by overplaying their hand.

If you decide to gamble with a smooth call and you end up in a 3way pot and a dangerous board, take your medicine and throw your hand away. You have already made one mistake, don't compound it with another.

Right, back to the 2/4 tables...

Alex Martin said...

insta-fold
ppl play all day waiting for ppl to slow-play aces and trap themselves. What are you realistically beating apart from tptk.